She's one of the best things to happen to Marvel after Endgame
Jaffacakelover2025-10-17 09:09
So is Iman Vellani.
TalkToTheGlyphWitch2025-10-17 10:35
Same with Simu and "Kyet Beeshup" Hailee
Zunjine2025-10-17 12:03
I want a series of shorts with Pugh and Hailee just hanging out.
Optimus_Prime_102025-10-17 12:41
Shopping for cutlery and such.Ā
Zunjine2025-10-17 13:02
You just know how funny it would be to see them playing tennis and getting competitive with it or having a night out and flirting with drunk dudes at a bar.
UchihaSukuna12025-10-17 13:11
eucldian2025-10-19 19:43
I volunteer to be one of the drunk dudes!
MyNameCannotBeSpoken2025-10-17 13:16
Buying clothes with pockets
jaid_skywalker852025-10-17 16:48
Watch Yelena's mind be blown with dresses with pockets (a trend I hope never goes away omg)
PayneTrain1819992025-10-17 13:18
The perfect excuse to bring back Marvel One-Shots!
FoxMeadow72025-10-17 12:58
Kate Ketchup
MajesticTesticles2025-10-17 11:30
She was super annoying in Marvels
_steve_rogers_2025-10-17 11:59
That whole movie was trash
Zunjine2025-10-17 12:03
Absolutely. Iāve always argued that it all comes down to the charisma of the actors they choose. Look at the old fan favourites. RDJ, Evans, Hemsworth, Scarlett, Samuel L Jackson, Hiddleston, Holland, Olsenā¦ all of them ooze likability and charismatic energy outside of their performance and that comes across in character too.
Now look at the new fan favourites and you see the same thing. We love Vellani, Pugh, Stansfield, Simu. Theyāre people we want to spend time with. We want to check in with them in the next movie and the next show because we like them and enjoy their ācompanyā.
Thunderbolts may not have been a huge hit but it was, for my money, amongst the most emotionally impactful movies in the franchise and contained more characters I genuinely felt warmth towards than any other MCU film. The big hug at the end, that moment kills me. All these hurt and hurting people letting down their guard and being vulnerable? Thatās my emotional kryptonite.
So my recommendation is this: find actors with charisma and double down on them. Make audience response to them the key metric.
MyNameCannotBeSpoken2025-10-17 13:18
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bnjmrtn2025-10-17 14:42
Nah. She absolutely nails her role as former femme fatale looking for acceptance and redemption. Black Widow couldāve easily come across as a two dimensional āhot badassā characterāand it kinda was in IM2ābut Scarlettās portrayal gave the character the depth it deserves.
I absolutely adored the dynamic between her and Chris Evans. Steve Rogers believes he needs to stay pure despite the world, while Natasha believes she needs to become good within it. Their friendship gave each of them what they lack: Steve learns flexibility and trust in moral gray areas, and Natasha learns faith in something bigger than herself.
It makes sense theyāre best friends in real life and that translated to screen.
jaid_skywalker852025-10-17 16:47
I wanted more Steve and Natasha. I felt like we got to see more of Natasha's vulnerability with them. Johansson is really good at micro expression. It can make her come off sometimes as too quiet or flat but if you're paying attention to subtle shifts in her face, you get a much better read on what she's conveying. And honestly, given that Natasha was a former spy and was trained to dampen her own feelings and guard her thoughts, that makes sense. She wouldn't be telegraphing non verbal communication.
I'm going to be forever mad about the marketing for the Black Widow movie. It is one of the more stark and terrifying of the MCU movies imo and I think Pugh and Johansson play off each other brilliantly. It felt like they were real sisters which not only makes Natasha's later sacrifice sadder, but it also helps you understand Yelena's sense of angry grief and they way she misdirected it at Clint. (Also, since Yelena was taken in the snap, it helps us understand that Natasha was willing to die to bring her sister back and ugh the feels! š I just want my girls to be happy.)
This got off topic somewhat but I love Black Widow and I think Johansson did an excellent job.
bnjmrtn2025-10-17 17:34
Yeah I thought Black Widow was great and itās a shame it didnāt get the release nor the marketing it deserved.
And agree, I also wouldāve loved to see more Steve and Natasha. I think killing Natasha in Endgame was the right call for the story but wouldāve loved to see more of those two. I know Chris Evans was done with the role by Endgame but him featuring in Black Widow to show his part in her quest for redemption, particularly as she faces the ghosts of her past, wouldāve been awesome.
melgib2025-10-17 17:51
Has LaKeith Stanfield finally made it into the MCU or did you mean Hailee Steinfeld?
Zunjine2025-10-17 17:54
I think Iāll allow that little mystery to just float in the air for a bit. Who knows what I meant? Me?! Pāah!
Poopiepants6662025-10-17 22:13
Olsen has the charisma of the color beige.
Darkelegance132025-10-18 08:03
And then there's Sebastian Stan who is just timeless.
Zunjine2025-10-18 09:43
Yes, heās another one who just makes it look easy. Iād love to see Winter Soldier take on a bigger leadership role in the future.
secretAGENTmanPVT2025-10-21 06:51
Simu has no chill and most certainly had near zero charisma.
I like him, I enjoy some of his projects, so Iām not down on him, but ya, he has no chill and very little charisma.
PayneTrain1819992025-10-17 13:22
It helps that she is the best developed character theyāve had since Endgame. A lot of that just comes down to her having 3 significant live action appearances, enough time to give her a clear arc and make fans care more about her. Florenceās acting skill helps a ton, of course.
Kamala is the next best but neither of her projects got great viewership. Actually, John Walker and Red Guardian might be better off given Thunderbolts.
Then we have Shang-Chi, Kate Bishop and Moon Knight who have been near complete ball drops after promising starts.
Taftimus2025-10-17 17:51
> Actually, John Walker and Red Guardian might be better off given Thunderbolts.
I was going to mention that I absolutely hated Walker's character in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which I feel was the point of his character in that show, but absolutely loved him in Thunderbolts. Wyatt Russell has been great so far.
TokuSwag2025-10-17 23:36
I have been going through Wyatt Russell's back catalog since I liked him so much in this movie, and he is a really talented actor that hasn't been given much to really sink his teeth into till very recently.
He is the bright spot in many a horrible movie and the star of one of those kooky ended too early shows in Lodge 49
bergamote_soleil2025-10-18 00:09
I quite enjoy him in Monarch: The Legacy of Monsters where he and his dad play the same character at different ages.
Taftimus2025-10-18 00:11
Monarch was a fantastic show
TokuSwag2025-10-18 00:17
Monarch is definitely super fun. I am sad the scene that had both of them in it got cut. At least we still got that shot of the projected film of Wyatt over his dad's face that was so cool looking.
SSBN641B2025-10-18 03:28
He was great in "Cold in July."
TokuSwag2025-10-18 03:44
He has like ten lines, his role is 90% body language, and the emotional swings I went through with his character were what convinced me he was so talented.
StanyeEast2025-10-19 13:59
If I only saw her in Black Widow, she would still be my favorite MCU character
bondinferno2025-10-17 14:59
Her and Iman Vellani, such likable people, with infectious personalities
essentiallyaghost2025-10-17 16:29
Honestly though. I feel like her and Spider-Man are the closest thing we have to a "main character" of the MCU after Iron Man. She's a character with a lot of depth and growth, and audiences connect with her.
I love a lot of the characters right now, but they have made some awful choices with their arcs. All of the Thunderbolts characters were treated fantastic though and were given a ton of depth with relatively low screen time.
Teganfff2025-10-17 19:03
She has become my āparticipation characterā for sure. I simply adore her more and more with each project sheās in.
underscore-dash_2025-10-17 19:16
Interesting thing is that I have never loved any Florence Pugh movies, up until Thunderbolts. Fighting with my Family was actually good, but forgettable. Midsommar? Overrated. Don't Worry Darling? Mediocre. Oppenheimer? Meh. Dune? Overrated. Black Widow? Mediocre.
But Florence herself has never been the issue in anything I've seen her in, and had always oozed enough charisma that I want to see movies she's in even though I presume I won't like them.
I was very pleased with Thunderbolts.
Rustash2025-10-17 20:55
Man with that list of movies, what *do* you even like?
underscore-dash_2025-10-18 01:30
Thunderbolts
CaptHayfever2025-10-18 17:37
Check out her Little Women. Best film version of that story.
underscore-dash_2025-10-18 18:33
I've never seen any version of Little Women. Maybe I will check it out, but I thought it (along with Pride and Prejudice?) were 100% for the girls and not something I would be able to appreciate? Idk, I could be way off base there.
CaptHayfever2025-10-18 19:10
Maybe so, but Barbie was 100% for the girls too, & most people ended up loving that.
underscore-dash_2025-10-18 20:00
Fair. I did enjoy Barbie.
StanyeEast2025-10-19 13:58
*the best thing to happen to Marvel ever
Burger_Soup2025-10-19 14:36
Counter argument:
StanyeEast2025-10-19 15:15
Close second...how are you seeing my brain stuff and thangs? This just got weird fast...next thing I know, you'll be telling me they took Gambit back from Channing Tatum and gave it to a good actor instead
Burger_Soup2025-10-19 21:47
Didn't you know? They just took Gambit back from Cha... oh, you're right, it got weird fast.
justafanboy10102025-10-17 07:25
I always lose it at āmy heart is rolling around like a pin ballā šš
PayneTrain1819992025-10-17 13:24
Some celebs are clearly not running their social media accounts, some do it 50/50.
Florence is clearly running hers, no one could match her energy if they tried.
Special-Outcome-32332025-10-17 19:18
Nah itās her team. Ik someone that works for them. They manage a bunch of other celebs with that personality.
Riley_jamesen2025-10-17 07:30
Love that movie and love Florence āØ
jokajoe2025-10-17 07:37
Its crazy I tell people, close to me how she made me cry in Thunderbolts, and they just don't get it. The pain in her voice just breaks me every time. She's great
justafanboy10102025-10-17 07:41
I know it gets talked about a lot but the āDaddy Iām so aloneā gets me every time I watch it. Everyone did their part in this movie spectacularly but Florence deserves more flowers
Soliloquitude2025-10-17 09:06
I've only seen it once but I busted out in a boohoo baby sob when she said that šš
Mr-Stuff-Doer2025-10-17 10:50
I wish I could still take the word ādaddyā seriously
Clewtesu2025-10-17 13:04
Shut upppp
xSL33Px2025-10-17 15:47
I think our society feels that pain. Technology has left us in a loneliness epidemic.Ā Our souls are hurting and her "Daddy I'm so alone" and then the life pattern she described is just real for a lot of people.Ā I almost never cry and I felt a tear roll down my cheek.Ā Dang allergiesĀ
Spicy_Weissy2025-10-17 20:28
Zunjine2025-10-17 12:07
When Alexi tells Yelana āwhen I look at you, I donāt see your mistakesā it breaks me. As someone whoās battled depression those words hit hard. Itās all too easy to feel that our worst moments define us. Harbour is a clown in that movie. Thatās his job. But heās also a significant part of why it works emotionally. Heās filled with regret but chooses to be positive. Arguably nobody has lost more than him. But he steps up as a father because he believes in being a hero. Itās so basic and so easy to dismiss as self aggrandising nonsense but itās his core. Itās all heās ever wanted to be.
jaid_skywalker852025-10-17 16:55
Honestly, he gives off big awkward, goofy Dad energy and we needed that. But when he admitted to Yelena that the reason he didn't reach out was because he just assumed she didnt want to see him broke my heart almost as much as when Yelena tells him she feels so alone.
Yelena really clung to her memories as a family and she felt abandoned by the only father she knew, while he felt so ashamed of things he'd done that he didn't think she wanted him around. It is a very realistic way to show how depression and fear of rejection can isolate you and keep you from from making connections
Zunjine2025-10-17 17:02
Thinking on it now makes me choke up. Itās so real. So painfully real. What a movie.
CaptHayfever2025-10-18 17:39
Something that clicked for me is the difference in *why* they're depressed. Yelena is sick of ONLY using her training, while Alexei is sick of NEVER using his training.
Zunjine2025-10-18 17:54
Good insight. Alexi chose to be what he is but isnāt allowed to do it. Yelena didnāt get to choose. They both want agency and freedom from being seen as merely one thing.
SnakesCatsAndDogs2025-10-17 19:09
I cried during that scene. I lost my brother and my dad just .. never contacts me unless I do it first. That scene broke something in me I didn't even realize was there.
InCOBETReddit2025-10-17 20:43
Thunderbolts was way better than Fantastic Four, and that just makes me disappointed ā¹ļø
Jay0407072025-10-18 06:25
I'm touched to hear that you consider us such close friends.
Impossible_Quote_5052025-10-17 08:56
I'm sure the 10 million dollars will make it all worth it
Spicy_Weissy2025-10-17 10:51
That's more than her entire estimated net worth.
ChromeSabre2025-10-17 09:26
She already the goat
KoBoWC2025-10-17 09:35
She looks like she's lead an away mission to an alien planet and was posessed by an entity that's now controlling her.
The_Dark_Jedi_of_AUS2025-10-19 10:24
Next Generation reference
I like that show
Spicy_Weissy2025-10-17 10:47
Flo rules.
EagleSaintRam2025-10-17 19:35
TheAmazingBagman32025-10-17 11:01
She would make a good live action ms piggy
Burger_Soup2025-10-17 12:32
CPTKickass2025-10-17 13:00
nicolascagessock2025-10-17 14:09
so would you
CPTKickass2025-10-17 16:04
jaid_skywalker852025-10-17 16:56
Yes, because Miss Piggy is a goddamned ICON and do is Pugh. I'm sure that's what you meant. š
CPTKickass2025-10-18 14:37
Pugh looks kinda like a normally proportioned person that someone shortened vertically without maintaining aspect ratio.
Just a little squished
5tr82hell2025-10-17 11:15
As 99% of the celebrities ATM, I preferred her before her surgeries. I can't cope with those lips
I would throw myself in front of a moving train just for her to look in my general direction
Better-Snow-71912025-10-17 23:21
And that's why not being perfect is perfect
Eagleshard20192025-10-18 02:28
At least she's in her TNG command jacket.
roguevirus2025-10-18 04:03
What are clackers?
StanyeEast2025-10-19 14:06
She's been on my radar since all the way back in 2018 when she did The Little Drummer Girl miniseries on TV (good stuff...check it out if you haven't already)...she crushed that and I hoped she'd blow up, then she crushed Midsommar right after and it was a wrap...I have a feeling she's here to stay, MCU or not
E-Normus-Titz2025-10-20 23:44
Man I wish I could meet her, she's such a goofball.
GrothMagnus2025-10-21 14:13
Is she commandeering the Enterprise in this pic? š jk, I really love her spirit and her acting chops!
Commentaires
Now look at the new fan favourites and you see the same thing. We love Vellani, Pugh, Stansfield, Simu. Theyāre people we want to spend time with. We want to check in with them in the next movie and the next show because we like them and enjoy their ācompanyā.
Thunderbolts may not have been a huge hit but it was, for my money, amongst the most emotionally impactful movies in the franchise and contained more characters I genuinely felt warmth towards than any other MCU film. The big hug at the end, that moment kills me. All these hurt and hurting people letting down their guard and being vulnerable? Thatās my emotional kryptonite.
So my recommendation is this: find actors with charisma and double down on them. Make audience response to them the key metric.
I absolutely adored the dynamic between her and Chris Evans. Steve Rogers believes he needs to stay pure despite the world, while Natasha believes she needs to become good within it. Their friendship gave each of them what they lack: Steve learns flexibility and trust in moral gray areas, and Natasha learns faith in something bigger than herself.
It makes sense theyāre best friends in real life and that translated to screen.
I'm going to be forever mad about the marketing for the Black Widow movie. It is one of the more stark and terrifying of the MCU movies imo and I think Pugh and Johansson play off each other brilliantly. It felt like they were real sisters which not only makes Natasha's later sacrifice sadder, but it also helps you understand Yelena's sense of angry grief and they way she misdirected it at Clint. (Also, since Yelena was taken in the snap, it helps us understand that Natasha was willing to die to bring her sister back and ugh the feels! š I just want my girls to be happy.)
This got off topic somewhat but I love Black Widow and I think Johansson did an excellent job.
And agree, I also wouldāve loved to see more Steve and Natasha. I think killing Natasha in Endgame was the right call for the story but wouldāve loved to see more of those two. I know Chris Evans was done with the role by Endgame but him featuring in Black Widow to show his part in her quest for redemption, particularly as she faces the ghosts of her past, wouldāve been awesome.
I like him, I enjoy some of his projects, so Iām not down on him, but ya, he has no chill and very little charisma.
Kamala is the next best but neither of her projects got great viewership. Actually, John Walker and Red Guardian might be better off given Thunderbolts.
Then we have Shang-Chi, Kate Bishop and Moon Knight who have been near complete ball drops after promising starts.
I was going to mention that I absolutely hated Walker's character in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which I feel was the point of his character in that show, but absolutely loved him in Thunderbolts. Wyatt Russell has been great so far.
He is the bright spot in many a horrible movie and the star of one of those kooky ended too early shows in Lodge 49
I love a lot of the characters right now, but they have made some awful choices with their arcs. All of the Thunderbolts characters were treated fantastic though and were given a ton of depth with relatively low screen time.
But Florence herself has never been the issue in anything I've seen her in, and had always oozed enough charisma that I want to see movies she's in even though I presume I won't like them.
I was very pleased with Thunderbolts.
Florence is clearly running hers, no one could match her energy if they tried.
Yelena really clung to her memories as a family and she felt abandoned by the only father she knew, while he felt so ashamed of things he'd done that he didn't think she wanted him around. It is a very realistic way to show how depression and fear of rejection can isolate you and keep you from from making connections
I like that show
Just a little squished
She's amazing! ā¤ļø
I'm so tired š„±š©